访谈录 2008-02-06&02-08, 采访李小龙-3

Bruce Lee: …if you have another to the extreme, you'll become, all of a sudden, a mechanical man, no longer a human being. So (you) it is a successful combination of both, so therefore, it is not only, I mean, so therefore, it's not pure naturalness, or unnaturalness 2. The ideal is unnatural 1 naturalness, or natural unnaturalness.

Pierre Berton: yin yang, eh?

Bruce Lee: right man, that's it.

Pierre Berton: uh, one of your students, James Coburn, played in a movie called Our Man Flint, in which he used karate 3. Was that what he learned from you?

Bruce Lee: Um, he learned it after the film. Not...

Pierre Berton: he went the, after he played in Our Man Flint.

Bruce Lee: Right, right. You see, actually, I do not teach, you know, karate, because I do not believe in styles anymore. I mean I do not believe that there is such thing as, like,  Chinese way of fighting or the Japanese way of fighting, or whatever way of fighting, because unless human being have three arms and four legs, we will have a different form of fighting. But, basically, we have only two hands and two feet. So styles tends to, uh, uh, uh, not only separate man, you know, because they have their own doctrines 5 and then the doctrine 4 became the gospel truth you know, that you cannot change, you know, and, but if you do not have styles, if you just say, "well, here I am, you know, as a human being, how can I express myself totally and completely?" now, that way, you won't create a style because style is a crystallization, you know, I mean, that way is a process of continuing growth.

Pierre Berton: You talk about Chinese boxing....how does it defer 6, from, say, our kind of boxing?

Bruce Lee: well, first we use the feet.

Pierre Berton: uh-huh, that's a start.

Bruce Lee: and then we use the elbow, and…

Pierre Berton: you use the thumb too.

Bruce Lee: you name it man, we use it!

Pierre Berton: you use it all?

Bruce Lee: you have to, you see, because I mean, that is the expression of the human body. I mean, the, everything, I mean, you know, not just the hand! And when you are talking about combat, well, I mean, if, if it is a sport now, now you talk about something else, you have regulations, you have rules, but when you're talking about fighting as it is…

Pierre Berton: thorough, a real fighting.

Bruce Lee: with no rules, well then, baby, you'd better train every part of your body! And when you do punch, now I'm leaning forward a little bit hoping not to hurt any camera angle, I mean you gotta put the whole hit into it, and snap it! And get all your energy in there and make this into a weapon.

Pierre Berton: I don't want to tangle 7 with you on any dark night, I'll tell you that right now! You came up to me pretty fast there! What…